I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. Baptist We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. Its NOT ABOUT US! We just look for a biblical church to go to. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. 5. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Whats wrong with a tract rack? Im not responsible for how its perceived. What We Believe - Fundamentalist Baptist Church Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. 48. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. 12. Heartland Baptist Bible College is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. Amen! The New Testament church should be an independent church. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. We told to get married. What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Romans 5:8 Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. I prefer Kjv! How will you escape the judgment of hell? 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. The church never knew our problems but god did. I forgave through the example of Jesus. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 43. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. 40. What a stupid thing to say. Some of these are very much right on the money. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. See if you recognize any. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. I love this!! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. It didnt raise red flags for me. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. No, because thats not Gods will. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. LOL. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Your happy mega churches do too. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. insidious I like that word. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. 17. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. The members were so sweet to us. We believe in salvation by grace God Bless. Come and join. These are right on the money! God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. We cant save people, only God can. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. IFB Singles You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. This is because we live in this flesh. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. The membership This is an assumption.. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Such as??? If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). 9. 2. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. So I did. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. (2 Cor. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to Dont throw your pearls to pigs! God forgave my husband through Christ. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. I am also against body piercings as well. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. 5 Everything they do is for show. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Praise the lord for forgiveness. Everyone has health issues. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. 46. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Independent 13. If you want a discussion ask for one. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? WebWARNING!!!! We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. 4. Apart from Him we can do nothing. We even have TWO. Well I am a little confused. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Gods will was for me to forgive. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. Not of works, lest any man should boast. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. This is the first and great commandment. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. Its pure manipulation. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. 33. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. No one knew about the marriage except us. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 1. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. God Bless. 8. 4,2, and 7 month old. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. G. M. Matheny. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Its the inspired word of God. Independent Fundamental I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. This is very good. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. OMG! We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! We reject all cooperation with this movement. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. They all work together. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

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